Allow Lunar Client, Here's why

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Ele, Jun 6, 2021.

  1. Ele

    Ele Recruit

    Hello!

    As some of you know, Lunar client is not allowed on SS. I disagree with this for many reasons.
    The reason that lunar client is not allowed is because of some of the mods.
    I think that people are not realising the other client "Badlion" is completely different from lunar. Badlion has many mods that should not be allowed (Minimap, Replay mod, and schematica). However Lunar does not have these.

    Every mod on Lunar 1.16:
    CPS (tracks cps)
    Toggle sprint (vanilla feature)
    Armour status (shows armour status)
    Day counter (counts your mc days)
    Crosshair (allows you to customise your crosshair)
    Waypoints (saves some coords)
    Potion counter (tells you how many healing potions you have left)
    Motion Blur (blurs motion)
    Chat (many options for chat E.g. unlimited chat)
    Nametag (allows modification of players nametags)
    Scrollable tooltips (allows you to scroll down long item descriptions)
    Particle multiplier
    Clock (displays time)
    Stopwatch
    Memory usage (displays memory usage)
    Combo counter
    Reach display
    Server address
    Saturation display
    Item physics (improves item physics)
    Item tracker
    Shiny pots
    Block outline
    Screenshot uploader
    FOV mod (improves FOV customisation)
    Auto text hotkey (automatically do commands with hotkeys)
    Net graph (server tps)
    Mumble link
    2D items
    Boss bar (changes location of boss bars)
    Freelook (my favourite mod, allows you to view your character 360)
    Resource pack display
    Menu blur


    Please tell me which of these are not allowed.

    I have tried to shorten the list by removing vanilla/optifine features such as FPS display. I also removed features that do not affect SS. (E.g. AutoGG)


    Lunar client also includes capes, wings, emotes, headbands etc (Similar to optifine) these have no effect to the player.

    1.8 lunar client has some mods that should not be allowed however they are not on 1.16

    Thank you for reading, I hope to see your responses! :)
     
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  2. con

    con Veteran

    this has been stated many times before, yet it seems like a fine client, it is not needed, nor should be used on a survival server, lunar client is based around pvp, half of these mods don't have a use for safe survival, clear chat has a purpose, to get insensitive things out of the chat, it isint there for you to scroll up and look at what it is, half of the features listed have no purpose for a survival server.
     
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  3. Ele

    Ele Recruit

    You do have a good point in saying that some features may not be needed. However there are still many useful features that are not related to PVP.

    Also, just because it is not needed it does not mean it shouldn't be allowed. Lunar client has a much nicer GUI and it is much easier to have 1 launcher over 2 or 3.

    Useful mods include: Optifine, Freelook, Item physics, Motion blur, Chat. Item tracker could even help you if you loose valuable items. About your mention on the chat feature, Lunar actually improves chat: it can stop spam, filter curse words, and customise it. There are also many HUD customisations E.g. Keystrokes.

    Lunar client has never been mentioned on the forums before. Only briefly mentioned in chat. :)
     
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  4. Ok, look. The server's rules are long-established, posted and published, and are accessible ingame and via this very forum. Rule 5 says quite clearly, "NO HACKED/MODDED CLIENTS". The only exception to this is the subclause where it states "The only game modifications allowed are Optifine, sodium, shaders, and Vivecraft".

    You can't seriously claim that Lunar Client isn't a modded client, and the shortened list of mods you quoted above contains over thirty entries. It doesn't matter that none of these mods are "(Minimap, Replay mod, and schematica)", they're just not in the very short list of permitted game mods.

    So as it stands, your argument simply fails. Lunar Client is a modded client, it has many mods that are not in the permitted list, The End.

    Of course, if you want to go through each and every individiual mod that is incorporated into Lunar Client, and try to petition the admins to allow that mod, then at the end of that odyssey you can certainly try to petition for Lunar Client to be permitted on the ground that all the mods it uses are permitted... of course, the Lunar Clients terms of services state that "Moonsworth may in its sole and absolute discretion provide subsequent amendments, versions, enhancements, modifications, upgrades or patches related to any part of the Services", so what happens if they decide to add another mod that isn't approved for use on Safe Survival? I dunno, looks risky to me.

    BUT ALL THAT ASIDE! I invite you to read this except from Moonsworth's privacy policy!

    Recipients of the personal data:


    Lunar Client is the primary recipient of your personal data, however, we may share limited information with our partners who use Lunar Client to protect their services.


    The types of personal data being collected and processed:


    Lunar Client may collect and process the following information from you:


    • IP address
    • Game identifiers (e.g. in-game name, account UUID, etc.)
    • Information about the running operating system
    • Information about game-related and operating-system-related files and memory
    • Information about running processes, drivers and other executable code
    • File names included in other information listed here, which might also contain your operating system user name

    The duration of the processing/storage:


    Lunar Client may store the information for the entire duration of its services.

    So, anything in active memory, and the content of any file that they deem to be "operating-system-related", and any details about anything else you might be running on your computer, is all information that they can take, and keep.

    You know, at once point I went and started installed the Lunar Client just to see what all the excitement was about. I never completed it, though, because I saw that in the privacy policy. Nope, nope nope nope. Thanks anyway, I don't need it that badly.
     
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  5. Ele

    Ele Recruit

    The reason I quoted those mods is because in a previous post about Badlion seen here: https://www.safesurvival.net/threads/is-badlion-bannable.4250/#post-20458
    Moderators claim those are the functions that are not allowed. :)
     
  6. Entirely reasonable, but I think you misunderstood something there. The mod who made that statement was not saying "badlion is banned because of these mods", the mod was saying "badlion is banned because ALL mods except <x, y, z> are forbidden, and these specifically are examples of mods that could give you an unfair advantage over other players".
     
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  7. Ele

    Ele Recruit

    Caspian, I understand what you mean and get your opinion. I think that making discord message only to disrespect me is not at all nice. I created this post because I would like to see what mods are not allowed and if possible for them to allow the client which is mostly harmless. Almost all the features don't actually affect your actual gameplay, instead they just display useful info and add extra setting customisations.:)
     
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  8. You're right, manner in which I expressed myself on discord was not nice. I have edited that, and I apologize. However, regardless of my personal opinions of any of the mods in question, the fact is that the actual server policy is "Optifine, Sodium, Vivecraft, Shaders", and nothing else at all.

    Additionally, while this is something that we can't know unless the the owner, admins, or moderators chime in, I rather suspect that they do not want to have to become the gamemod police, and they're probably simply not willing to take on the considerable additional work that would be required to evaluate every mod that people want to use, so the very limited policy is not likely to change.
     
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  9. Ele

    Ele Recruit

    My suggestion is. Mods should be allowed if they do not change player movement or provide an unfair advantage.
     
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  10. the only problem i see is that when people start using forge and fabric mods to use things like esp and maybe even some subtle moment hacks, the point is, if you allowed mods from forge or even fabric, you could easily encounter people using esp and you would probably find more cheaters

    lunar however, i can agree is pretty basic and adds very little advantage.
     
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  11. Ikith

    Ikith Master

    While some mods are useful, I feel its a slippery slope in to territory that the owner and staff don't want to get in to.
     
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